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Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2013.04.08 20:21:00 -
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The orca is amazing, if you don't think so then you don't really understand how ridiculous it is.
The orca is a fleet multiplier. Using the Laser Optimization II and the Mining Laser Field Enhancement II gang links you're being a huge force multiplier for your fleet. The extra range allows your ships to mine near the orca so they can deposit the ore directly into the fleet hanger, which saves a lot of time for haulers. But the math for the reduced cycle times is a lot more important.
If you have maxed orca skill, leadership skills, and have the mining foreman mindlink your cycle time is -32%. That's almost a 1/3rd reduction in cycle time, which amounts to a ~47% increase in mining yield by itself. The mindlink also increases your mining yield bonus from leadership skills from 10% to 15%, which adds an extra 4% to each miner. Added together this results in ~54% added yield per miner, so if you fly with 2 or more barges the orca bonuses bring in more yield than an additional barge.
But wait, there's more! If you're hardcore you can get the siege leadership gang link skills and add a shield harmonizing gang link II to give your fleet even more EHP. If gankers are motivated enough they can bring more people, but it does offer a nice chunk of survivability against ganks.
But wait, there's more! The orca also serves as a mini-freighter that's less susceptible to ganks, so you can haul your refined material to a trade hub.
edit: 1436 is the max yield per strip miner per cycle on a max yield hulk (2 MLU + 3 modulated strip miner II's). I think that number is using tech 1 mining crystals though, but this is also no implants. It can go higher of course, but it doesn't matter as the orca gives % based bonuses. A noob miner and a bittervet miner get the same % increase regardless of their base yield. |
Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2013.04.08 20:27:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:The comment above was tongue in cheek. And also the maths is pretty clear with the Orca, it is more than good enough. Giving it even more cargo capacity will mean that it will rival even freighters, and all for a mere 14 days training. In my opinion it needs a nerf, or ideally skill reqs need to be increased as 14 days is far to easy to get into such a powerful ship.
I think it should require advanced spaceship command as a prereq.
/stealth buff ftw |
Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2013.04.09 00:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Spurty wrote:Now scale up to 99 (or 199) hulks in your fleet with that one orca kicking out bonuses
Terrible ship Indeed, should just bin it
>.<
Think bigger. At that point, would you even have enough fleet spots left for all the haulers required to bring that ore home? 
A full wing is 51 I think, and a full fleet is 256 if I'm not borking my math. That would leave you with an extra 57 or so ships to haul, which should be plenty. The bigger problem is finding enough rocks for all those ships to pewpew, because two barges mining the same rock is like touching peenorz and must be avoided. |
Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2013.04.09 00:59:00 -
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Sim Gideon wrote:stuff about untrained pilots
Most ships suck if you don't have them well trained. I wouldn't say that a basilisk sucks because if you only have 1 shield emission systems, 1 energy emission systems, 1 logistics, no energy system management, and no energy system operation that it would be more worthwhile to bring a perfectly skilled combat pilot. The comparison is just disingenuous.
The orca is a very flexible and useful ship outside of mining ops, and it is bordering OP in mining ops. The fact that it's a natural progression to train an orca pilot into a command ship fleet booster with a lot of base skill overlap makes it doubly nice. |
Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2013.04.10 01:29:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Yeah, good luck with that one. The OP has progressed to sending me angry emails insisting he's correct, so he is probably a lost cause.
It's not our job to make the OP as profitable as possible. He asked the question, we answered, and he's too mathematically inept to understand our response. It's out of our hands now.
/wouldn't mind seeing the emails either
//if only the worlds demand for stupid was as abundant as the supply |
Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2013.04.10 07:17:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:enjoy :)
holy balls...after reading that....makes brain the dumb hurt
There's really one one thing I can do at this point, and that's link to the perfect youtube video. Or the other perfect youtube video.
At this point he's either a very successful troll, or he's getting ready for his rewarding career in ditch digging, sign spinning (human directional), or professional basketball. |
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